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		<title>Social Media Marketing &#8211; part two</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sandlines</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to <a title="DF" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/dylanfuller" target="_blank">Dylan Fuller</a> who, over in the <a title="LinkedIn Local Search Summit Group" href="http://www.linkedin.com/newsArticle?viewDiscussion=&#38;articleID=19180665&#38;gid=44126&#38;trk=add-news-lnk-cThOon0JumNFomgJt7dBpSBA" target="_blank">Local Search Summit</a> on LinkedIn drew my attention <a title="I don't want to advertise on Facebook" href="http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/11/p-g-ad-man-i-don-t-want-to-buy-any-more-banners-on-facebook-" target="_blank">to this article</a>. It seems&#8230;</p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 210px"><a href="www.pg.com"><img title="P&amp;G" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/ff/Procter_and_Gamble_Logo.svg/200px-Procter_and_Gamble_Logo.svg.png" alt="Facebook? No thanks." width="200" height="88" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Facebook? No thanks.</p></div>
<p>Thanks to <a title="DF" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/dylanfuller" target="_blank">Dylan Fuller</a> who, over in the <a title="LinkedIn Local Search Summit Group" href="http://www.linkedin.com/newsArticle?viewDiscussion=&amp;articleID=19180665&amp;gid=44126&amp;trk=add-news-lnk-cThOon0JumNFomgJt7dBpSBA" target="_blank">Local Search Summit</a> on LinkedIn drew my attention <a title="I don't want to advertise on Facebook" href="http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/11/p-g-ad-man-i-don-t-want-to-buy-any-more-banners-on-facebook-" target="_blank">to this article</a>. It seems that P&amp;G are no longer interested in running advertising on Facebook. Ted McConnell, GM of Interactive marketing over at Proctor and Gamble said:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>&#8220;I have a reaction to [Facebook] as a consumer advocate and an advertiser: What in heaven&#8217;s name made you think you could monetize the real estate in which somebody is breaking up with their girlfriend?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Now there&#8217;s a hefty dose of rhetoric about the circumstances that McConnell describes, but the point is clear: he sees Facebook (and their peers) as C2C communications, not media opportunities. He feels it is arrogant to interrupt it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m unsurprised by this reaction &#8211; and I tend to agree that banners on FB are not the way forward. But it&#8217;s nothing new. After all, ad placements have funded Hotmail, Yahoo! Mail, Gmail &#8230;. for years &#8211; and often quite successfully.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s the placements that occur outside the composition and reading of the emails that works best &#8211; i.e. the log-on or log-off pages, or the pages that confirm an email has been sent in the old style webmail accounts. Which is logical: you&#8217;re not interrupting someone in the middle of another conversation.</p>
<p>Several years ago, when I was at Yahoo!, I devised a campaign for Vodafone that was deliberately designed to sit inside these types of C2C interactions. There was an obvious relevance to such a campaign that fitted with the creative tone. However, these types of campaigns have always been the exception rather than the rule.</p>
<p>Historically advertisers have been shy of placing brand sensitive advertising near user generated content. The risk of negative association has been deemed too great. Imagine, placing your family friendly cereal brank ad next to content that celebrates gore or porn. Not an attractive proposition.</p>
<p>Meanwhile the low responsiveness of such placements have made the inventory generated on UGC amongst the most commodotised online.</p>
<p>So what is a social network to do?</p>
<p>Invent a new model, is what. Old skool advertising is (Sandlines believes) never going to be the way forward for such businesses. They need to figure out a way of converting the obvious engagement they build with their user communities into a commercial proposition. And the starting point to that is to consider where the exchange of value can occur that benefits all parties: the community members, the marketer &#8211; and of course the network owner.</p>
<p>Simple, huh?</p>
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		<title>Chasing bubbles in a water bed</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sandlines</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Air-Babylon-Imogen-Edwards-Jones/dp/0552153052/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1226566346&#38;sr=1-4"><img class="alignright" title="Print vs Facebook: which hurts the most?" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41O1z6sNZDL._SL500_AA240_.jpg" alt="" width="240" height="240" /></a>I read a tale of woe from the Economist this week, about how both <a title="Losing Face" href="http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12566818" target="_blank">Virgin Atlantic and British Airways had flown into turbulence</a> over their respective employees&#8217; use of blogs and social networks. Seems that passengers&#8230;</p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Air-Babylon-Imogen-Edwards-Jones/dp/0552153052/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1226566346&amp;sr=1-4"><img class="alignright" title="Print vs Facebook: which hurts the most?" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41O1z6sNZDL._SL500_AA240_.jpg" alt="" width="240" height="240" /></a>I read a tale of woe from the Economist this week, about how both <a title="Losing Face" href="http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12566818" target="_blank">Virgin Atlantic and British Airways had flown into turbulence</a> over their respective employees&#8217; use of blogs and social networks. Seems that passengers took a dim view of being described in less than flattering terms online.</p>
<p>Odd that a similar furore didn&#8217;t arise when <a title="Read it and weep" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Air-Babylon-Imogen-Edwards-Jones/dp/0552153052/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1226566346&amp;sr=1-4" target="_blank">Air Babylon</a> was published, yet the idea is essentially the same. Hence, I guess, the use of &#8216;Anonymous&#8217; as the alleged source of the insider&#8217;s view.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how badly some organisations are dealing with the democratisation of production and distribution of content that characterise the web 2.0 world.</p>
<p>I recall a couple of years ago being on a panel at a marketing conference at which we were asked by a marketer from a University how he should handle the fact that students were using social networks to actually tell prospective students what life was like at his university. Should he &#8216;control it&#8217;?</p>
<p>My jaw is still bruised from it&#8217;s severe drop when a fellow panellist told him &#8220;Yes!&#8221;</p>
<p>That is, not just contribute to the discussion, but actually try to quash genuinely expressed views.</p>
<p>I wonder if the same answer would be give a couple of years later? Surely to do this is merely chasing bubbles in a water bed. You might stop them appearing in that location, but the commentary will merely appear somewhere else &#8211; and probably with deeper bitterness.</p>
<p>Anyone remember <a title="How times change?" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4064822,00.html">f***edcompany.com</a>? I wonder if we&#8217;re due a version of that for social media snafus.</p>
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		<title>Do online communities matter?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sandlines</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been looking at a lot of research this week, and this has been one of the questions that is much discussed: the degree to which people care about the online communities with which they are engaged.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s some excellent&#8230;</p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_161" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px"><a href="http://en.mapleeurope.com"><img class="size-medium wp-image-161" title="tb-12" src="http://www.sandlines.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/tb-12-300x210.gif" alt="Is this getting too real?" width="240" height="168" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Is this getting too real?</p></div>
<p>I&#8217;ve been looking at a lot of research this week, and this has been one of the questions that is much discussed: the degree to which people care about the online communities with which they are engaged.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s some excellent insights in a report by the <a title="Highlights of the report available free here" href="http://www.digitalcenter.org/pages/current_report.asp?intGlobalId=19" target="_blank">Center for the Digital Future</a>&#8217;s Jeffrey Cole.</p>
<p>One of the questions asked is &#8220;How often do you take action offline &#8230; related to your online community?&#8221;. Turns out 14% of people surveyed do at least once a week.</p>
<p>Then all this began to fall into place when <a title="You couldn't make it up" href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&amp;objectid=10539212" target="_blank">I read this story about a woman in Japan </a>who faces a possible jail term for the virtual murder of her virtual husband in Second Life style game called Maple Story.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure which is the scarier idea: that this woman logged on and killed off her &#8216;husband&#8217; or that the man turned around and filed charges against her for doing so.</p>
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		<title>Digital marketing is the ark in 2008&#8217;s flood of doom</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sandlines</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Curiously, the media this morning seems to have had a bit of a change of tone. I&#8217;m seeing positive (comparatively) comments in a number of places that have become more doom laden than a Joy Division sountrack to an Ingmar&#8230;</p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curiously, the media this morning seems to have had a bit of a change of tone. I&#8217;m seeing positive (comparatively) comments in a number of places that have become more doom laden than a Joy Division sountrack to an Ingmar Bergman film.</p>
<p>The Times are telling us that <a title="Cheery news in the Times?" href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article4911470.ece" target="_blank">markets are responding positively</a> to yesterday&#8217;s government and central bank announcements. House prices are falling slower than (month on month) than any other time this year (!). Even the Daily Mail is getting in on the act, with a real tabloid lead of &#8220;<a title="Daily Mail: Wot a scorcher" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1069374/Relief-home-owners-mortgage-giants-pass-global-0-5-cut-rates.html" target="_blank">Phew! Shares bounce back&#8230;</a>&#8221; before dissolving into another attack on the government. Even so!</p>
<p>My favourite though is from The Sun &#8211; classic red-top reporting:</p>
<div id="attachment_122" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk"><img class="size-medium wp-image-122" title="tb-11" src="http://www.sandlines.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/tb-11-300x146.gif" alt="Simply FAB Darling" width="300" height="146" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The Sun: Simply FAB Darling</p></div>
<p>It&#8217;s good to see the press recapturing a bit of a sense of fun. Maybe, just maybe, things are on the up and up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent the week at a couple of event &#8211; Silverpop&#8217;s customer conference and the launch of a new product, Vtrenz &#8211; talking to people in the digital business. I&#8217;ve been struck how the mood has been distinctly lacking in despondency about business and it&#8217;s prospects.</p>
<p>Some business types have been decidedly upbeat: a holiday company who are racing to keep up with demand; a high end bank who are seeing people having to put in desperately long hours to keep pace with the (profitable) trading they&#8217;re engaged in.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that growth is forecast to be somewhat slower than the heady days of the mid 2000s, but digital marketing spend is hot on the heels of Press and TV spending. And, according to Rebecca Jennings of Forrester when I spoke to her yesterday, there is every sign that it will continue to grow.</p>
<p>My instinct was to ask whether that was just Search marketing, but no, it turns out that her surveys said that spend would increase for Search, Display advertising, Email&#8230; even Web 2.0/Social Networking, which I might have thought susceptible to budget cuts as its ROI is still being proven. Only mobile appears to be showing a modest retraction.</p>
<p>To my delight she was championing the idea of measurement past the transactional level, on to the longer term customer value metrics I&#8217;ve long espoused.</p>
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		<title>In us we trust</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sandlines</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>So it turns out that people trust what they say to each other much more than they trust what marketers tell them. Do I hear gasps of amazement? I&#8217;m not deeply surprised.</p>
<p>A friend of mine recently shared some research&#8230;</p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it turns out that people trust what they say to each other much more than they trust what marketers tell them. Do I hear gasps of amazement? I&#8217;m not deeply surprised.</p>
<p>A friend of mine recently shared some research she&#8217;d found about levels of trust in various media. It deeply re-inforces Sandlines opinions about the shift in the balance of power from marketer to consumer in forming opinions. It makes for interesting reading, I thought. Turns our that our faith in Fleet Street is a little less than we hold in what a complete stranger with no credentials tells us in a blog.</p>
<div id="attachment_34" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 410px"><img class="size-full wp-image-34 " title="Trust" src="http://www.sandlines.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/trust1.png" alt="What price your banner ad now?" width="400" height="224" /><p class="wp-caption-text">What price your banner ad now?</p></div>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m tempted to give you a PO Box number and asking you to send me money &#8211; just in the interests of updating an experiment that was tried in a newspaper in the US last century&#8230;(which worked by the way). But maybe that&#8217;s where it all started to go wrong for that industry?</p>
<p>Seriously though, it does re-inforce why dedicated review sites and customer reviews on retailers sites do so well&#8230;</p>
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